講下大陸"新車":上海大眾"新款"passat

最近睇大陸的汽車雜誌
見到上海大眾的passat要轉新款
本來都好開心
以為passat B6會在大陸生產
但原來都係新瓶舊酒

http://www.csvw.com/csvw/news/topic/passat/index.htm

"新款"passat大陸叫帕薩特領馭
但原來只不過係將SKODA的SUPERB外型搬過去
(SKODA係屬於VW集團的, 而SUPERB都係用PASSAT B5底盤)
即係話成部車都係似一部SUPERB多過一部PASSAT
只不過車頭加了家族面譜
車尾換o左新設計尾燈
內籠方面都係照搬superb過去
而性能方面
仍然沿用以前的1.8T 150匹馬力引擎同2.8V6引擎
o個部1.8T引擎去推動一部咁大咁重的車
都係嚴重乏力。
甚麼FSI引擎同DSG波箱
都無用o係"新車"上。

眼見今日的上海汽車集團同VW
都覺得佢地唔多進取
一來大陸市場已經開始被日本車蠶食緊
都唔推出番一D 新車
來來去去都係識得做facelifted
個樣來來去去都一樣
我估今年國產VW的車銷量一定大跌。

講真,大陸如果要用FSI引擎同DSG波箱,又有無咁既人識整?
始終1.8T已經係福士集團發展得最成熟既一副引擎
佢唔用呢副可以用邊副?

Also, you have to consider that the tooling cost of a complete new design is not cheap, as Passat B6 is based on the Golf A5 floorplan, which means that the Shanghai VW will have to invest greatly on retooling.  This is not just the problem for Shanghai VW, but also a problem for Argentina, Mexico, and Brazil, that's why they still make the MK IV generation Jetta and Golf in these country and selling it along side the MK V.

Also, a great deal of redesign and modification will have to put in the B6 in order for it to work for the Chinese environment, and also, FAW VW and Shanghai VW is actually competetor with a same name plate in bidding new cars contract, that's why you see Shanghai Touran and FAW Caddy, (same plateform, different factories).  BTW: from a friend working for VW headquarter in Germany.  She told me that the B6 have been awarded to FAW VW, however, the car will not be call Passat and will have an extensivly redesign body.

[ref=421217]CZ_6686[/ref]  在 2005-11-15 12:38 AM 發表:

講真,大陸如果要用FSI引擎同DSG波箱,又有無咁既人識整?
始終1.8T已經係福士集團發展得最成熟既一副引擎
佢唔用呢副可以用邊副?

Also, you have to consider that the tooling cost of a complete new design is not cheap, as Passat B6 is based on the Golf A5 floorplan, which means that the Shanghai VW will have to invest greatly on retooling.  This is not just the problem for Shanghai VW, but also a problem for Argentina, Mexico, and Brazil, that's why they still make the MK IV generation Jetta and Golf in these country and selling it along side the MK V.

Also, a great deal of redesign and modification will have to put in the B6 in order for it to work for the Chinese environment, and also, FAW VW and Shanghai VW is actually competetor with a same name plate in bidding new cars contract, that's why you see Shanghai Touran and FAW Caddy, (same plateform, different factories).  BTW: from a friend working for VW headquarter in Germany.  She told me that the B6 have been awarded to FAW VW, however, the car will not be call Passat and will have an extensivly redesign body.

[ref=421217]CZ_6686[/ref]  在 2005-11-15 12:38 AM 發表:

講真,大陸如果要用FSI引擎同DSG波箱,又有無咁既人識整?
始終1.8T已經係福士集團發展得最成熟既一副引擎
佢唔用呢副可以用邊副?

[ref=421214]S3BL121[/ref]  在 2005-11-15 00:34 發表:
o個部1.8T引擎去推動一部咁大咁重的車
都係嚴重乏力。

1.8T 其實叫夠用...唔會"嚴重乏力"﹐我渣過 Passat 2.0 115bhp 都唔係想象之中噤慢

[ref=421214]S3BL121[/ref]  在 2005-11-15 12:34 AM 發表:

"新款"passat大陸叫帕薩特領馭
但原來只不過係將SKODA的SUPERB外型搬過去
(SKODA係屬於VW集團的, 而SUPERB都係用PASSAT B5底盤)
即係話成部車都係似一部SUPERB多過一部PASSAT
只不過車頭加了家族面譜
車尾換o左新設計尾燈
內籠方面都係照搬superb過去
而性能方面
仍然沿用以前的1.8T 150匹馬力引擎同2.8V6引擎
o個部1.8T引擎去推動一部咁大咁重的車
都係嚴重乏力。
甚麼FSI引擎同DSG波箱
都無用o係"新車"上。

眼見今日的上海汽車集團同VW
都覺得佢地唔多進取
一來大陸市場已經開始被日本車蠶食緊
都唔推出番一D 新車
來來去去都係識得做facelifted
個樣來來去去都一樣
我估今年國產VW的車銷量一定大跌。

1.8T都算好D，帕薩特本身仲有款齋1.8賣緊

VW本身衰乜？最大一定係貴。仲搞咁多FSI，DSG，不如賣平三五萬好過

佢有出新車款，但TOURAN同CADDY都慘淡收場，早兩日先睇到篇文話
CADDY停產，TOURAN都唔造住，好似話係RETOOL條生產線。至於SANTANA、
GOLF同JETTA款舊就唔駛講啦。

唔使估，大陸大把統計，S-VW同FAW-VW產銷量都勁跌

[ref=421229]art0925[/ref]  在 2005-11-15 12:46 AM 發表:

Also, you have to consider that the tooling cost of a complete new design is not cheap, as Passat B6 is based on the Golf A5 floorplan, which means that the Shanghai VW will have to invest greatly  ...

好似話S-VW同FAW-VW都有呢個FLOORPLAN(叫PB35)，TOURAN都已經係用佢，
所以比其他國家好得多了

1.8T 可以唔駛特別改裝, 轉下個 program 已經可以多幾十匹~

[ref=421217]CZ_6686[/ref]  在 2005-11-15 12:38 AM 發表:

講真,大陸如果要用FSI引擎同DSG波箱,又有無咁既人識整?
始終1.8T已經係福士集團發展得最成熟既一副引擎
佢唔用呢副可以用邊副?

其實呢兩樣野無話唔識整的
但視乎願唔願意投放資源在培訓上
國產的新AUDI A6L都有一副FSI引擎

[ref=421228]art0925[/ref]  在 2005-11-15 12:45 AM 發表:

Also, you have to consider that the tooling cost of a complete new design is not cheap, as Passat B6 is based on the Golf A5 floorplan, which means that the Shanghai VW will have to invest greatly  ...

另外, 雖然模具上的開發的確駛好多錢
但最重要係VW經營手法過於保守
如果連投資在鞏固現有市場的錢都唔願花
莫講話引入新的產品
當日本牌子如豐田日產不斷推出新車的時候
VW仍然係以facelifted車去打人地牌子
廣州本田accord都轉o左兩代
日產出過BLUEBIRD同TEANA
豐田一口氣出crown同reiz去爭市場
VW(或上海大眾)仲要出FACELIFTED的PASSAT
似乎競爭力同吸引力都不大

更何況現有的上海大眾PASSAT B5的口碑唔多好
點能夠吸引人再去買"新版PASSAT"。

[ Last edited by S3BL121 on 2005-11-15 at 18:00 ]

[ref=421331]pochi[/ref]  在 2005-11-15 10:05 AM 發表:



1.8T都算好D，帕薩特本身仲有款齋1.8賣緊

VW本身衰乜？最大一定係貴。仲搞咁多FSI，DSG，不如賣平三五萬好過

佢有出新車款，但TOURAN同CADDY都慘淡收場，早兩日先睇到篇文話
CADDY停產，TOURAN都唔造住 ...

題外話
VW的零件真係幾貴
唯獨是JETTA發展成熟
又持久耐用, 零件便宜
係搵食車的首選。

但CADDY呢D車
本身定位唔清淅
當佢係私家車又唔夠豪華
當佢係貨車咁不如買部PICK-UP或貨VAN
而且價錢唔平
所以一定慘淡收場
另外TOURAN七人車
市場上又有便宜夾大件的JAC瑞風同東風風行
呢類型中高檔路線的七人車定位太模糊